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| == Buying Replica Watches Common Q&A == | | == Buying Replica Watches Common Q&A == |
| == Which Factories Make the Best Models == | | == Which Factories Make the Best Models |
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| Current brands covered:
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| 1. Rolex
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| 2. Patek Philippe
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| 3. Audemars Piguet
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| 4. Vacheron Constantin
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| 5. Richard Mille
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| 6. Omega
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| 7. Gem set ‘Iced Out’ Watches
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| 8. Cartier
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| 1. Rolex
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| Submariner
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| 126610LN, LV & all variants
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| 3235 movement: VSF, Clean also makes a good sub as well but be warned about fakes. Joker is a new factory that seems to be good too.
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| 2836, 2824 movements: GMF/BP are good.
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| 116610LN, LV & all variants:
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| 3135 movement: VSF, ZF, JVS and VVSF are good, as is Clean (but there are fakes of Clean).
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| 124060, 114060 (no date): VSF, Clean, BPF/GMF, ROF
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| Two tone and RG subs (i.e. 116613LB): VSF, Clean, GMF, ARF
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| Daytona
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| Special note: Noob Daytona v4 was the best awhile ago, but are now closed.
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| All Daytona models:
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| White dial ceramic bezel: Clean v1, Clean v2, BTF in that order
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| Black dial ceramic bezel: BTF
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| ARF has gen-like thickness (slightly thicker), but the subdials that would count hours and minutes while the chrono is working do NOT function. If you don’t use chrono often, or want a different style than what Clean has to offer, go for this one.
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| GMT Master II
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| PEPSI 126710BLRO, 116710BLRO: Clean Factory, GMF v6 (get with VR3186 movement if you can)
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| BATMAN/BATGIRL 126710BLNR, 116710BLNR: Clean, VRF, ARF (best insert, movement might be unstable)
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| 116710LN: Clean, VRF
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| Rootbeer: GMF with VR3186
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| GMT Master I: BPF
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| GMT Master 6542: RBF (only available via Puretime for some reason), may be out of stock now.
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| Explorer II 216570 – All models: GMF/BP ask for VR3186 if available
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| Explorer I 214270: BPF
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| Two-tone Explorer I 124273: EWF
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| Airking 116900: GMF (904L), BP (316L)
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| Milgauss 116400GV:
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| Blue: ARF or BPF
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| Black: BPF
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| Yachtmaster:
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| 226659: VSF, 3EF, JVS/VVSF.
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| 116622: ARF
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| 116655 (Rose gold): VRF
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| 126655 (Rose gold): EWF
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| 268622 37mm: ARF
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| Datejust 36 – All models:
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| Decorated 3235: ARF. ARF has good dials, but date font can be too bold (v3 might be fixed now) and the crystal lacks enough AR coating on the cyclops.
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| 2824: GMF is well executed overall, gold plating does not cover the side of the midlinks/endlinks, but the date font is better overall. There are a few other factories in the 36mm space, and GMF and ARF do not cover all dial variants. Take your time and look around and compare to gen
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| New 2021 & 2022 dial variants: GMF or BP.
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| Datejust 41 – All models:
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| 3235 Clone movements: VSF, Clean
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| 2824: ZF, ARF, GMF and BP in that order
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| New 2021 & 2022 dial variants: GMF or BP.
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| Special note: VSF made great DJ41s but are hard to get
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| DayDate 40 & 36 – All models: BPF, GMF
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| SkyDweller – all models: Noob v2. Has low beat movement, and other issues with the movement not being like gen, but it’s the best we’ve got.
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| Datejust 28 – all models: GMF
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| Oyster Perpetual: EWF all models. GMF also good.
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| 2. Patek Philippe
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| Nautilus
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| 5711 all color dials – All models: PPF v4 best overall factory but has a fat bezel. 3KF v2 has a good movement but small date font. OVERALL BEST NAUTILUS IN GENERAL is the PPF 5711.
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| Iced out Nautilus – R8 factory. Very well done. DM v2 is also well done and differently styled (baguette bezel)
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| 5712 (moonphase date) – PPF v2. All functions are the same. Excellent rep.
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| 5726 (triple calendar) – PPF (now ZF)
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| 5980 Chronograph – I cannot recommend any good model. All have poor date font, too thick and not done very well. TWF, BPF and a few others are in this space.
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| 7010 Ladies 33mm – PF. Overall well done, quartz movement.
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| 7118 Ladies 35mm – PF. Very well done.
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| Aquanaut
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| 5067 ladies 35mm aquanaut – PPF. Thin, quartz, but gen like.
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| 5164 Travel Time – GRF v2. Too thick compared to gen, time zone functionality does not work. Gray dial and rose gold model are the only good options here.
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| 5165 37mm – All models ZF. Excellent rep as well.
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| 5167 40mm – All models: ZF Factory best overall factory, despite the “5” flaw (the line of the grenade pattern extends below the lower left of the 5 numeral, unlike gen). 3KF has a clone movement but machining is not as nice as ZF. OVERALL BEST AQUANAUT REP IN GENERAL is the ZF.
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| 5168 42mm Blue and Green – ZF. Blue dial isn’t quite as nice as gen, green dial and strap misses the mark compared to gen. Overall best execution though.
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| 5968 Chronograph – OMF. Very thick, overall not recommended unless you like the look.
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| Calatrava
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| 5077 – Notre Dame & Bhutan enamel craftsman dials – FLF Factory
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| 5088 – FLF Factory
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| 5089 Azulejos enamel craftsman dial – FLF Factory
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| 5119 – TW Factory
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| 5120 – TW Factory. Very nice execution.
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| 5123 – TW Factory. Overall decent execution.
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| 5196 sub seconds – AIF.
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| 5296 (open caseback) – All models: ZF Factory. OVERALL BEST CALATRAVA IN GENERAL
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| 5297G (diamond bezel) – ZF Factory
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| 5153 (officer’s caseback, smaller case) – All models: ZF Factory
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| 5227 (officer’s caseback, lacquer dial) – All models: ZF Factory. OVERALL BEST CALATRAVA IN GENERAL
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| 6007 – ZF Factory. Dial and strap color are not as dark as gen.
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| 7112 – KGF. Decent execution, not amazing.
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| Grand Complications
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| 4968 Ladies moonphase – KGF.
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| 5070 – There is a rep, unsure of the factory. Not all versions are in stock though.
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| 5205 Triple calendar moonphase – GRF v2 or KMF. Both are not great compared to gen, honestly, but look fine enough.
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| 5396 – GRF for all models.
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| Known issues: sunken date disc, smaller day and month font than gen.
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| 5524 Travel Time – GRF v2. Get the blue textured dial with brown strap, but the GMT hand is fixed on a 24hr loop, and the inner circle of that hand should be blue and not white. time zone switching is faux. Dial is not as nice as gen, but overall nice try and relatively thin.
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| 6102 Celestial map – TZF. Looks good, but functions nothing like gen. Not recommended overall unless you love the look.
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| NOTE: Patek has almost never put a tourbillon in a watch and had it visible from the dial side. They have for a select few references a long time ago.
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| 3. Audemars Piguet
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| 15500 41mm – ZF
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| 15400 41mm – ZF just released new clone movement and good dial (12/2021)
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| 15450 37mm – JF
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| 15202ST 39mm ultra thin – XF has thinner hand base, ZF has better dial color. Choose according to your preferences they are both great. XF is no longer available.
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| 15202IP – ZF, XF (no longer available), BF
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| 15202 green dial and diamond variants – BF v2
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| 16202 – not available yet
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| 15703 & 15710 42mm Offshore: ZF and JF are overall similar enough.
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| Note: colored variants of these models will be from JF or BPF
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| 15720 42mm Offshore: all 3 variants – BF Factory
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| 67540 Ladies Offshore 37mm: unknown factory, but a high quality rep is out there with real diamonds. Ask your TD.
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| Royal Oak Tourbillon – R8 Factory
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| JF made a good ultra-thin tourbillon (but still ~11mm)
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| 26579 Annual Calendar – ZP factory
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| 26331 Chronograph – BF and OMF, but none are great.
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| Open work tourbillon – R8 factory
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| 77350 34mm Royal Oak (ladies) – 8F
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| Royal Oak Offshore 44mm: JF for nearly all models
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| 4. Vacheron Constantin
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| Overseas Ultra-thin 2000V: XF for all models (black, grey, blue) – currently closed. Cross is a bit flat below the 12 marker, movement finishing isn’t great, but overall a great rep. 8F is good.
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| Overseas generation 2 reference 47040
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| JJF Factory is no longer making these, but in general had a good rep if you find it on M2M. Their v2 was superior to their v1.
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| MKS Factory – seems to take cues from JJF. Best models are the grey and blue models. Gen-like thickness.
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| Known flaws: Black and white dials have different dial patterns than gen. The triangles/pyramids should be stacked on top of each other, but they are instead offset between rows. Grey dial bezel should be titanium, but appears to be painted (unvetted claim). All models have a flat cross below 12, gen has a nicely beveled cross
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| Overseas generation 3 reference 4500V
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| ZF Factory for all references. No other factory comes close. I used to list BP Factory, but ZF blows them out of the water.
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| Chronometre Royal 1907: MKS factory for all models. Good not great rep.
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| Patrimony reference 85150: 3 main factories: AIF, MKS, and FKF. Not enough comparisons between models, but both MKS and FKF are very good.
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| Fiftysix reference 4600: ZF for all references.
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| Fiftysix complete calendar: ZF, MXF ( may have day alignment issues – right justified)
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| Historique reference 86300: GSF for all models. Not great, but good rep
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| All other references – check the TD listings for other models available, but most are either too thick, or have other significant flaws.
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| 5. Richard Mille Credit — u/LibrarySquidLeland
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| RM011: KVF – thick but best deco, older models for thinner cases but worse deco. Glossy ceramic instead of matte, carbon fiber reinforced plastic instead of NTPT
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| RM035: ZF – real NTPT, closest to 1:1 size and proportions, v4 for absolute best, but all acceptable
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| RM055: BBR Factory has a ‘clone’ movement, and overall great execution. ZF – real ATZ matte ceramic case, closest to 1:1 size and proportions
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| RM027: EURF – serviceable tourbillon movement
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| RM056: EURF – sapphire bezels, plastic midcase, serviceable tourbillon movement
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| RM052 Skull: JBF – sometimes branded as ZF, serviceable tourbillon movement, out of production. EURF model may be available from some sources, may be same thing as JBF (unconfirmed)
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| RM012: KVF – thick case and weird deco, but real tourbillon. May be serviceable movement
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| RM68: RR Factory
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| RM010: RR Factory
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| RM07: RM Factory – including bon-bon model
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| 6. Omega — Omega Buying Guide
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| Seamaster: All permutations – VSF (now closed), ORF, OMF
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| Aqua Terra: VSF, OMF
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| Diver 300M: VSF, OMF
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| Planet Ocean: VSF, MKF
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| Speedmaster Racing: HRF
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| DeVille 33mm: UVS Factory
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| No Time to Die Seamaster: VSF, ORF
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| Deville Dew Drop 33mm: 3S Factory
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| Tresor Quartz 39mm: 3M Factory
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| Deville 36mm: HR Factory
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| Speedmaster 57: OMF (but not great)
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| Deville Prestige 39mm: ZF
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| 7. Iced-Out Watches (aka buss down, diamond-studded)
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| Send these links to your TD of choice and have them price it and source it for you. Most of these are smaller batches and don’t always have a ‘factory name’. The stones are typically CZ.
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| Audemars Piguet:
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| 15400 iced out https://a202004241438341790100492.szwego.com/static/index.html?t=1638928548133#/theme_detail/A202004241438341790100492/I202109181814353130002175
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| Another 15400 iced out https://a202004241438341790100492.szwego.com/static/index.html?t=1638928548133#/theme_detail/A202004241438341790100492/I202109291819541890003593
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| Rose gold 15400 https://a202004241438341790100492.szwego.com/static/index.html?t=1638928548133#/theme_detail/A202004241438341790100492/I202109291819541890001004
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| Rose gold different strap 15400 https://a202004241438341790100492.szwego.com/static/index.html?t=1638928548133#/theme_detail/A202004241438341790100492/I202109291819541890009695
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| Rolex:
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| Rolex Submariner iced out green (also comes in blue and all diamonds) https://a202004241438341790100492.szwego.com/static/index.html?t=1638928514142#/theme_detail/A202004241438341790100492/I202112051625336710001752
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| Datejust arabic dial https://a202004241438341790100492.szwego.com/static/index.html#/theme_detail/A202004241438341790100492/I202111281531004280002114
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| Datejust lume indices https://a202004241438341790100492.szwego.com/static/index.html#/theme_detail/A202004241438341790100492/I202111281531004280001668
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| Daytona Rainbow, comes in both RG and YG https://a202004241438341790100492.szwego.com/static/index.html#/theme_detail/A202004241438341790100492/I202112022034435930003330
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| Daytona Rainbow, in WG (stainless steel) https://a202004241438341790100492.szwego.com/static/index.html#/theme_detail/A202004241438341790100492/I202112022034435930002112
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| Patek:
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| Nautilus emerald green bezel https://a202004241438341790100492.szwego.com/static/index.html#/theme_detail/A202004241438341790100492/I202111171657334310002305
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| Nautilus diamonds https://a202004241438341790100492.szwego.com/static/index.html#/theme_detail/A202004241438341790100492/I202111171657334310001101
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| Cartier:
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| Iced out arabic Cartier https://a202004241438341790100492.szwego.com/static/index.html#/theme_detail/A202004241438341790100492/I202111171658280420001992
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| Iced out roman Cartier https://a202004241438341790100492.szwego.com/static/index.html#/theme_detail/A202004241438341790100492/I202111171658280420001992
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| Iced out white dial https://a202004241438341790100492.szwego.com/static/index.html#/theme_detail/A202004241438341790100492/I202111181846566510002942
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| 8. Cartier – credit to u/pvm_april and u/KOUJIROFRAU
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| Santos (2018) 35mm or 40mm: GF for steel, BVF for two-tone or gold. GF has fixed their crystals in the most recent batches, and is the only one with a consistently gen-like bracelet. GF > BVF > V6F > 3KF. Important note: GF has been noted to have some screws fall off, whereas BVF does not seem to have this issue on the bracelet.
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| All AF Cartier reps are top tier, but they are not as active as some other factories, so alternatives are listed.
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| Tank Solo: AF; K11F decent alternative.
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| Tank Must (2021): F1.
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| Tank Francaise: 8848F.
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| Ballon Bleu 33mm or 36mm: AF with Cal.076 or quartz; 3KF with Cal.076, or V6F with quartz are decent alternatives. Recommended to avoid models with Seiko NH05. Ballon Bleu 28mm or 42mm: AF; V6F decent alternative.
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| Panthere: GF for steel, BVF for two-tone or gold.
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| == Guide to r/Chinatime Quality Checking QC a Watch == | | == Guide to r/Chinatime Quality Checking QC a Watch == |
r/RepTime Reddit
r/RepTime BST Discord
r/RepTimeQC Reddit
r/ChinaTime Reddit
r/ChinaTime Discord
r/ChinaTime Buy/Sell/Trade Forum
Below is a list of sellers verified through the community as having a variety of content and confirmed legitimacy as a seller at r/ChinaTime tier. Their product quality will range from bottom shitter to high tier, based on your request, preferences, cost and QC approval.
These are different to a Trusted Dealer (or TD) at r/RepTime level, as these TDs go through a stringent review process
Last updated 5 Dec 2022.
WuWatch
Web: https://wuwatch.cartel.click/
Dhgate: https://www.dhgate.com/store/21178530
WeChat: WuWatch-
WhatsApp: +86 199 2759 6945
Yupoo: N/A
Duke Jones
Web: https://www.duke-jones.com/
WeChat: pmmhq520
WhatsApp: +86 176 0800 5834
Yupoo: https://p719583387.x.yupoo.com/albums PW: 888888 (previously 666666)
HontWatch
Web: http://www.hontwatch.ru/
WeChat: N/A
WhatsApp: +86 131 1330 7655
The One Watches
Dhgate: N/A
Web: https://www.theonewatches.io/
WeChat: The5711
WhatsApp: +86 170 8193 4955
Email: Theonewatches.ru@gmail.com
Jason007
Dhgate: https://www.dhgate.com/store/14498114
Web: https://u-onewatch.com/
WeChat: N/A
WhatsApp: +86 159 1439 7518 & +86 137 3343 7007
Btime
Dhgate: https://www.dhgate.com/store/20042879
Web: https://58vakcak.com/
WeChat: N/A
WhatsApp: +86 185 8882 2256
Hanbelson
Dhgate: https://www.dhgate.com/store/20777759
Yupoo: https://hanbelsonwatch.x.yupoo.com/ PW: 2021511
lkwatches
Dhgate: https://www.dhgate.com/store/19780983
Stas
Dhgate: https://www.dhgate.com/store/21229352
Bilibili_watch
Dhgate: https://www.dhgate.com/store/21059386
Yupoo: https://zywatch.x.yupoo.com
Luxurywatches 1
Dhgate: https://www.dhgate.com/store/21113018
Yupoo: https://kevin-snir.x.yupoo.com/
Fujimin003
Dhgate: https://www.dhgate.com/store/20539379
Yupoo: https://alan-123456.x.yupoo.com/albums
Watch GT01
Dhgate: https://www.dhgate.com/store/21347248
Joan007
Dhgate: https://www.dhgate.com/store/20952500
Hello_watch
Dhgate: https://www.dhgate.com/store/20223682
lussoreloj
Dhgate: https://dhgate.com/store/21441757
Mark1994
Dhgate: https://dhgate.com/store/20535850
The websites & email addresses listed here are the only one to be used. Any other website found online or in a post other than from the dealer itself are not recommended. Be careful, copycat websites are one of the most common scam out there and their addresses are very similar. Do your due diligence before making any online order.
Asian7750 New
https://www.asian7750.co
ChazingTime
Cool and unique models plus all the usual from a Singapore based dealer.
https://chazingtime08.co/
Dealer Clocks
The goto source for all those wonderful dealer clocks you see on the walls in ADs.
https://dealerclocks.to
Geek Time
A long time solid dealer with a large variety of available pieces.
https://geektime.watch/
HONTWATCH
Everyone knows Hont, one of the oldest of the forum dealers.
http://www.hontwatch.ru
InTime Watches New
You all know Ryan, a great source for rep watches and gen parts.
https://www.intime06.co
Jtime Watch Store New
A better choice for your hobby with nice and experienced service support
https://jtime.io
Narikaa
https://narikaa.smugmug.com/
PureTime Watches International New
https://PureTimeWatch.io
Silix New
http://www.silix-prime.es
Theonewatches
https://www.theonewatches.io/
Toro Bravo
http://www.trb88.club
Watch Eden
Favorable price, best quality, you will have a different experience with WatchEden
http://www.WatchEden.net
Trusty Time
Andrew is a long-established dealer known for excellent service and a great website.
https://trustytimewatch88.io/
Extended list: https://forum.replica-watch.info/forums/trusted-rep-dealers.147/
Last update 17 Nov 22.
AD: Authorized Dealer who sells genuine watches.
AP: Audemars Piquet.
AR: Anti-Reflective coating. It is a coating that is placed on watch crystals to deflect glare. Can be single or double sided. Double AR can scratch as one layer is on the outside of the crystal.
B&R: Bell & Ross.
BCE: Short for Breitling Chronomat Evolution.
Beginmariner: An entry level Submariner. Referred to by other names such as Noobmariner and VIPmariner.
Bling: A watch encrusted with diamonds or jewels.
Breit: Short for Breitling.
BST: Buy, Sell & Trade
Builder: A Watchsmith or Watchmaker who builds watches from the ground up.
Bump: The process of bumping a thread back to the top of the new posts section because the poster feels it contains information they want others to see.
C1: A model of Concord watch.
CC: Credit Card.
CG: Crown Guard.
CN: Short for China or Chinese.
CNY: Chinese currency or Chinese New Year.
CONUS: Continental United States (See IN CONUS).
DD: Rolex Day Date
DHL: A shipper often used by the dealers.
DJ: Rolex Datejust
DRSD: Rolex Double Red Sea-Dweller
DW: Datewheel.
EMS: Express Mail Service. They are the usual courier for packages.
ETA: A Swiss movement used in watches. Also available as a China made clone. Gen (Swiss) ETAs are now very rare in reps.
Fakebreaking: A phenomenon wherein rep buyers constantly break certain models of watches. Even if the movements in those watches are commonly used in gens with no issues. This is caused by a failure to understand the limitations of a mechanical timepiece in general. Gen owners are usually not afflicted by this. An example would be the Rolex Daytona. (See Seconds @6).
Fedex: A package delivery service. NEVER USE THEM FOR REPS!
Fiddy: Panerai 127
Fidestro: Panerai 217
FM: Abbreviation for Franck Muller
Franken: A watch that has had genuine parts added to it in order to make it closer to the genuine counterpart.
Gen: Short for genuine watch.
Group Buy: A forum-wide mass buy where items can be purchased at a discounted price.
GBP: British Pound.
HBB: Hublot Big Bang.
HVS: High Value Sale.
Black Magic: An all black Hublot Big Bang.
IMO: In my opinion.
IN CONUS: A designation when something or someone is in the Continental United States. Also a designation in sales ads when someone will only ship within that area (See CONUS).
IWC: International Watch Company.
Lume: The material applied to a watch dial that makes it glow in the dark.
LV: Abbreviation for the Rolex anniversary LV (Lunette Verde) Submariner. Also used to describe Louis Vuitton.
Modded: A watch that has been altered from it’s OEM state.
Mods: Customisations applied to a watch.
Modder: Someone who performs aftermarket modifications to timepieces.
MOP: Short for Mother of Pearl dial.
NWBIG: Stands for ‘Not Worth Buying In Genuine’. A watch with a replica so good there is no point paying the real counterpart.
OEM: Original Equipment Manufacturer.
OP: Original poster.
PAM: Panerai.
PO: Short for Omega Planet Ocean.
POS: Piece of shit.
PP: PayPal. Also an abbreviation for Patek Philippe.
PVD: Physical Vapor Deposition. A particle vacuum coating process used on watches.
QC: Quality Control, Usually refers to the photos sent by a dealer to approve the watch you will be receiving.
Rehaut: The metal ring between the crystal and dial on a watch.
Rep: Short for replica.
RG/Repgeek: A replica forum.
Rollercoasting: When a watch hand has not been installed level. As it spins it moves up and down vertically like a rollercoaster and at some point touches the inside of the crystal jacking everything up.
Rollie: Rolex.
ROO: A model made by Audemar Piquet, the Royal Oak Offshore.
RWG.CC: A replica forum.
RWG.BZ: Our sister forum, often referred to as “The wild west of rep fora”
RWI: A forum full of autistic and rude old fucks that think elitism about fake watches is cool.
SEL: Solid End Link. A type of bracelet end link (the bit that joins the bracelet to the watch).
Slevin: Nickname for the IWC Aquatimer.
SMP: Short for Omega Seamaster Professional.
SOH: Breitling Superocen Heritage
SOSF: Short for Superocean Steelfish. It is not SFSO, SSFO, SOF or SF .
SV: Supporting Vendor. A Type of dealer.
Tag: Tag Heuer.
TNT: Another delivery service used by the dealers. Generally for air shipment.
Trustytime ’aka Andrew’: a dealer.
UN: Ulysses Nardin.
UPO: Short for Ultimate Omega Planet Ocean.
UPS: United Parcel Service.
USPS: United States Postal Service
V1/V2/V3/V20????: A term applied to each new version of the previously described ‘Ultimate/1:1/Exact copy’ that was released even though it was already perfect.
VC: Vacheron Constantin
W2B/WTB: Want To Buy aka Where can I find this watch so I can buy it.
W2C: Want To Cop aka Where can I find this watch so I can buy it.
Watch Expert: Someone who has extensive knowledge about timepieces. They are often also a Watchsmith, Watchmaker or Modder (See Builder & Modder).
WU: Western Union. Also ‘Wu’ which is short for the watch dealer WuWatch.
Yachtie: Short for Rolex Yachtmaster.
== Which Factories Make the Best Models
Beginner’s Guide to Clone Movements in Rolex Replica Watches ==
Guide to Movements in Audemars Piguet, Patek Philippe & Richard Mille ==
Guide to who Makes the Best Ladies Replica Watches ==
